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Post by rvn11 on Oct 7, 2020 10:18:14 GMT -5
Ugh, I just don't know on that one. As much as I love Lester and want his presence in the clubhouse he was pretty much toast this year. Even the last few seasons the stuff has faded significantly and he's been more of a smoke and mirrors kind of guy. Even on the cheap as a #5 starter I'd almost rather they not waste the opportunity to try out or at least seek somebody else that might have a future impact. Well since there is Darvish and Hendricks and then nobody set in stone after , I know there is Mills , but I really don't want him as anything more than a 5th starter, and I'd rather have Lester as they 5th starter because of his presence alone over Mills. They need to come up with a legit 3 from outside the organization. I agree there's nobody to fully rely upon after Darvish and Hendricks, but in going with Lester you're just kicking the real decision down the road one more year, perhaps to wait for Marquez or Alzolay to be fully ready. And Mills isn't going anywhere so you've basically got 2 5th starters in the rotation at that point. IMO they need to be looking forward on pitching rather than using him to fill a hole for a year. I'd rather they start searching for that next guy who might be able to contribute for the next 2-3 years than just a guy at the end of his career. Take a flyer on somebody that could become something going forward, that might have some upside, as you know there's nothing left in Lester after next season.
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Post by TheChico on Oct 7, 2020 10:38:24 GMT -5
Well since there is Darvish and Hendricks and then nobody set in stone after , I know there is Mills , but I really don't want him as anything more than a 5th starter, and I'd rather have Lester as they 5th starter because of his presence alone over Mills. They need to come up with a legit 3 from outside the organization. I agree there's nobody to fully rely upon after Darvish and Hendricks, but in going with Lester you're just kicking the real decision down the road one more year, perhaps to wait for Marquez or Alzolay to be fully ready. And Mills isn't going anywhere so you've basically got 2 5th starters in the rotation at that point. IMO they need to be looking forward on pitching rather than using him to fill a hole for a year. I'd rather they start searching for that next guy who might be able to contribute for the next 2-3 years than just a guy at the end of his career. Take a flyer on somebody that could become something going forward, that might have some upside, as you know there's nothing left in Lester after next season. In a Perfect world, Bauer would be a great add this offseason for the Cubs but not likely to happen but having a 3 headed monster in Darvish, Hendricks and Bauer would be one the best in the league, especially when all 3 take pitching to at a extreme level. Can you imagine all 3 of those guys feeding off of each other? It would be insane and could be the face on the next run for the Cubs.
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Post by fine09 on Oct 7, 2020 10:42:09 GMT -5
Ugh, I just don't know on that one. As much as I love Lester and want his presence in the clubhouse he was pretty much toast this year. Even the last few seasons the stuff has faded significantly and he's been more of a smoke and mirrors kind of guy. Even on the cheap as a #5 starter I'd almost rather they not waste the opportunity to try out or at least seek somebody else that might have a future impact. Well since there is Darvish and Hendricks and then nobody set in stone after , I know there is Mills , but I really don't want him as anything more than a 5th starter, and I'd rather have Lester as they 5th starter because of his presence alone over Mills. They need to come up with a legit 3 from outside the organization. Depending on exactly what the injury Chatwood had I would almost rather spend 5 to 7 mil on bringing Tyler back as opposed to betting on a resurgence of Jon's stuff. I don't know how they don't try to fit Alzolay into the rotation along with Mills so I don't believe the starting pitching situation is quite as dire as some others. With a very limited amount of money available for next year I think they are going to once again hope to get by with a few inexpensive rentals like Kipnis & a few low cost relievers. That is unless they free up a good chunk in a KB trade which as I have mentioned before that I don't think brings back anything to speak of other than 20 mil in salary relief. It might be a better bet to hold on to him & hope for a serious bounce back season than just dumping his salary.
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 7, 2020 11:13:48 GMT -5
I agree there's nobody to fully rely upon after Darvish and Hendricks, but in going with Lester you're just kicking the real decision down the road one more year, perhaps to wait for Marquez or Alzolay to be fully ready. And Mills isn't going anywhere so you've basically got 2 5th starters in the rotation at that point. IMO they need to be looking forward on pitching rather than using him to fill a hole for a year. I'd rather they start searching for that next guy who might be able to contribute for the next 2-3 years than just a guy at the end of his career. Take a flyer on somebody that could become something going forward, that might have some upside, as you know there's nothing left in Lester after next season. In a Perfect world, Bauer would be a great add this offseason for the Cubs but not likely to happen but having a 3 headed monster in Darvish, Hendricks and Bauer would be one the best in the league, especially when all 3 take pitching to at a extreme level. Can you imagine all 3 of those guys feeding off of each other? It would be insane and could be the face on the next run for the Cubs. Bauer would be a great addition, but I think he'd be asking a ton, especially on a 1 year deal. He definitely would make for an imposing 3 man rotation in the playoffs, but I can't help but wonder if he'd even want to come here given his comments on the Cubs "chirping" and the general disdain towards the Cubs that seemed prevalent in that dugout this year.
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Post by Mike on Oct 7, 2020 12:20:35 GMT -5
Bauer has a mutual admiration for Darvish, but his unnaturally elevated spin rate is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about? If we're going 1 year deal, we'd need a lefty like Rich Hill or Matt Moore who'll cost less than $5M and could easily transition to the pen if needed. Since Alzolay and Mills are penciled in for next year, that leaves a spot for Miller/Rea or a free agent. If we go 1 year deal/cheap...that definitely leaves money allocated to retain Jeffress. Think of the $1M deals this year that could have gone to internal options: Souza, Phegley, Kipnis, Perez, Sadler/Maybin. Only one of those were a real winner.
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 7, 2020 12:26:09 GMT -5
Bauer has a mutual admiration for Darvish, but his unnaturally elevated spin rate is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about? If we're going 1 year deal, we'd need a lefty like Rich Hill or Matt Moore who'll cost less than $5M and could easily transition to the pen if needed. Since Alzolay and Mills are penciled in for next year, that leaves a spot for Miller/Rea or a free agent. If we go 1 year deal/cheap...that definitely leaves money allocated to retain Jeffress. Think of the $1M deals this year that could have gone to internal options: Souza, Phegley, Kipnis, Perez, Sadler/Maybin. Only one of those were a real winner. Bauer did call out his former college teammate Gerrit Cole for his spin rate increasing once he got to Houston, correct? And I think in a following start all of a sudden his own spin was significantly higher to prove his point. Perhaps he's doing whatever that is full time if MLB isn't going to police it?
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Post by Mike on Oct 7, 2020 12:47:24 GMT -5
Well, Mr. Mark Grace has a great quote, "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."
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Post by fine09 on Oct 7, 2020 13:13:26 GMT -5
In a Perfect world, Bauer would be a great add this offseason for the Cubs but not likely to happen but having a 3 headed monster in Darvish, Hendricks and Bauer would be one the best in the league, especially when all 3 take pitching to at a extreme level. Can you imagine all 3 of those guys feeding off of each other? It would be insane and could be the face on the next run for the Cubs. Bauer would be a great addition, but I think he'd be asking a ton, especially on a 1 year deal. He definitely would make for an imposing 3 man rotation in the playoffs, but I can't help but wonder if he'd even want to come here given his comments on the Cubs "chirping" and the general disdain towards the Cubs that seemed prevalent in that dugout this year. Bauer is equal opportunity, he gives crap to every team so that won’t be an issue & from what I’ve heard, his teammates love him - until he wears out his welcome. I really think he courts the very good teams for a 1 year deal (White Sox, Padres, Rays, etc.) so he can win a title. With the White Sox he could also shove it up Cole’s rear end too which Bauer would like..
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Post by TheChico on Oct 7, 2020 13:17:29 GMT -5
Bauer has a mutual admiration for Darvish, but his unnaturally elevated spin rate is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about? If we're going 1 year deal, we'd need a lefty like Rich Hill or Matt Moore who'll cost less than $5M and could easily transition to the pen if needed. Since Alzolay and Mills are penciled in for next year, that leaves a spot for Miller/Rea or a free agent. If we go 1 year deal/cheap...that definitely leaves money allocated to retain Jeffress. Think of the $1M deals this year that could have gone to internal options: Souza, Phegley, Kipnis, Perez, Sadler/Maybin. Only one of those were a real winner. Bauer did call out his former college teammate Gerrit Cole for his spin rate increasing once he got to Houston, correct? And I think in a following start all of a sudden his own spin was significantly higher to prove his point. Perhaps he's doing whatever that is full time if MLB isn't going to police it? Good point about Bauer, but you cannot totally rule out that he figured something out too, he said somewhere I forgot where that it became a challenge for him to figure out how to increase spin rate without using pine tare and etc. Knowing how Bauer approaches himself and how dedicated to building his own brand while trying to revolutionize the game, the risk seems to big for him to take to use Foreign substance to increase spin rate, it would ruin everything he is trying to build and do if ever caught, I don't think it is worth the risk for him.
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Post by fine09 on Oct 7, 2020 13:17:32 GMT -5
Bauer has a mutual admiration for Darvish, but his unnaturally elevated spin rate is an elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about? If we're going 1 year deal, we'd need a lefty like Rich Hill or Matt Moore who'll cost less than $5M and could easily transition to the pen if needed. Since Alzolay and Mills are penciled in for next year, that leaves a spot for Miller/Rea or a free agent. If we go 1 year deal/cheap...that definitely leaves money allocated to retain Jeffress. Think of the $1M deals this year that could have gone to internal options: Souza, Phegley, Kipnis, Perez, Sadler/Maybin. Only one of those were a real winner. Bauer did call out his former college teammate Gerrit Cole for his spin rate increasing once he got to Houston, correct? And I think in a following start all of a sudden his own spin was significantly higher to prove his point. Perhaps he's doing whatever that is full time if MLB isn't going to police it? I think they are just finally 100% embracing the new pitch metric program & that is making all the difference. Bauer is very smart & made a huge change last off-season to just simply stop walking people because over 1/3 of the runs he gave up had walked. He says he doesn’t hate the solo homer’s or hits that score guys as long as he doesn’t walk guys. Sounds reasonable
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 7, 2020 13:47:41 GMT -5
I think Bauer would be my top love/hate depending on if he were on my team or not. I'd love his antics if he were a Cub, but otherwise he bugs me. If he were on the Cubs for a 1 year deal and then went elsewhere it would probably bug me even more. I also don't like the idea of 1 year contracts and jumping from team to team to chase a championship, but that's a different story.
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Post by TheChico on Oct 7, 2020 13:49:36 GMT -5
Bauer would be a great addition, but I think he'd be asking a ton, especially on a 1 year deal. He definitely would make for an imposing 3 man rotation in the playoffs, but I can't help but wonder if he'd even want to come here given his comments on the Cubs "chirping" and the general disdain towards the Cubs that seemed prevalent in that dugout this year. Bauer is equal opportunity, he gives crap to every team so that won’t be an issue & from what I’ve heard, his teammates love him - until he wears out his welcome. I really think he courts the very good teams for a 1 year deal (White Sox, Padres, Rays, etc.) so he can win a title. With the White Sox he could also shove it up Cole’s rear end too which Bauer would like.. Yep! Teams give him crap and he gives it back, he totally embraces it and wants more of it as he thinks this is what the game needs more of which I agree. I have no idea where Bauer might land as I have no idea how this year free agent market is going to be, so many unknowns especially the 2021 season. Any team that signs him has to be fully open to let Bauer market his brand in any way he pleases without any restrictions, that is going to be a challenge since there is a lot of owners that are not happy with what he is doing and totally against it.
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Post by skokiejoe on Oct 31, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -5
As of October 31st Currently 34 on the 40 man roster 6 openings.
Lester option refused. Rizzo option accepted. Brothers outrighted to Iowa Schrock claimed from Cardinals
Pitchers 19 Alzolay 0 options left Auto-Renewal Adam 1 Auto-Renewal Darvish 0 $22M Hendricks 0 $14M Kimbrel 0 $16M Maples 0 Auto-Renewal Marquez 3 Auto-Renewal Miller 2 Auto-Renewal Mills 0 Auto-Renewal Norwood 1 Auto-Renewal Rea 0 Arbitration Rodriguez 3 Auto-Renewal Ryan 0 Arbitration Steele 1 Auto-Renewal Tepera 0 Arbitration Underwood Jr Auto-Renewal Wick 1 Auto-Renewal Wieck 1 Auto-Renewal Winkler 1 Arbitration Eligible
CATCHERS 3 Amaya 2 Auto-Renewal Caratini 0 Arbitration Eligible Contreras 0 Arbitration Eligible
INFIELDERS 8 Baez 0 Arbitration Eligible Bote 1 1.1M Bryant 0 Arbitration Eligible Hoerner 3 Auto-Renewal Martínez 1 Arbitration Eligible Rizzo 0 16.5M Schrock 2 Auto-Renewal Vargas 0 Auto-Renewal
OUTFIELDERS 4 Almora 0 Arbitration Eligible Happ 2 Arbitration Eligible Heyward 0 21M Schwarber 2 Arbitration Eligible
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Post by TheChico on Oct 31, 2020 10:51:11 GMT -5
Cubs picked up Descalso option for 2021
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Post by skokiejoe on Oct 31, 2020 11:01:23 GMT -5
Cubs picked up Descalso option for 2021 You mean declined right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2020 14:03:52 GMT -5
Cubs picked up Descalso option for 2021 You mean declined right?
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Post by TheChico on Oct 31, 2020 14:27:48 GMT -5
Cubs picked up Descalso option for 2021 You mean declined right? Haha! I was trying to scare some people since it is Halloween.
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Post by Mike on Oct 31, 2020 15:23:24 GMT -5
Last 30 days of 2020 season: ERA/FIP/xFIP 1.5 WAR 6GS, 39.0IP, 2.31/2.29/2.78, DARVISH 1.0 WAR 5GS, 37.1IP, 1.45/3.38/3.79, HENDRICKS 0.4 WAR 1SV, 08.0IP, 2.25/0.57/1.77, KIMBREL 0.3 WAR 3GS, 16.1IP, 3.86/3.56/3.83, ALZOLAY 0.3 WAR 09G, 08.1IP, 1.08/1.63/2.79, WICK 0.1 WAR 09G, 10.0IP, 2.70/2.69/2.93, UNDERWOOD 0.1 WAR 10G, 10.0IP, 1.80/3.89/4.33, ADAM 0.0 WAR 08G, 08.0IP, 3.38/4.94/3.86, WINKLER 0.0 WAR 10G, 09.0IP, 3.00/5.08/4.49, TEPERA 0.0 WAR 01G, 03.0IP, 3.00/5.19/5.12, MILLER -.1 WAR 07G, 06.0IP, 3.00/5.86/6.26, RYAN (L) -.1 WAR 6GS, 32.2IP, 4.41/6.22/4.71, MILLS -.1 WAR 03G, 03.2IP, 9.82/9.74/4.75, REA
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Post by skokiejoe on Nov 2, 2020 10:38:37 GMT -5
• RHP James Norwood, RHP Manny Rodriguez, LHP Brad Wieck were activated from the IL. • LHP Rex Brothers has elected to become a free-agent.
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Post by skokiejoe on Nov 21, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -5
As of November 21st Currently 37 on the 40 man roster 3 openings. * Added since November 1st 2020
Pitchers 21 Adam 1 Auto-Renewal Abbott 3 Auto-Renewal * Alzolay 0 options left Auto-Renewal Darvish 0 $22M Hendricks 0 $14M Kimbrel 0 $16M Maples 0 Auto-Renewal Marquez 3 Auto-Renewal Miller 2 Auto-Renewal Mills 0 Auto-Renewal Norwood 1 Auto-Renewal Rea 0 Arbitration Rodriguez 3 Auto-Renewal Ryan 0 Arbitration Steele 1 Auto-Renewal Tepera 0 Arbitration Thompson 3 Auto-Renewal * Underwood Jr Auto-Renewal Wick 1 Auto-Renewal Wieck 1 Auto-Renewal Winkler 1 Arbitration Eligible
CATCHERS 3 Amaya 2 Auto-Renewal Caratini 0 Arbitration Eligible Contreras 0 Arbitration Eligible
INFIELDERS 9 Baez 0 Arbitration Eligible Bote 1 1.1M Bryant 0 Arbitration Eligible Hoerner 3 Auto-Renewal Martínez 1 Arbitration Eligible Morel 3 Auto-Renewal * Rizzo 0 16.5M Schrock 2 Auto-Renewal * Vargas 0 Auto-Renewal
OUTFIELDERS 4 Almora 0 Arbitration Eligible Happ 2 Arbitration Eligible Heyward 0 21M Schwarber 2 Arbitration Eligible
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