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Post by skokiejoe on Sept 28, 2020 11:01:41 GMT -5
Assumptions Lester option will be refused Rizzo option will be exercised. Also multiple candidates to be non-tendered. 33 on the 40 man roster 7 openings.
Pitchers 19 Alzolay 0 options left Auto-Renewal Adam 1 Auto-Renewal Darvish 0 $22M Hendricks 0 $14M Kimbrel 0 $16M Maples 0 Auto-Renewal Marquez 3 Auto-Renewal Miller 2 Auto-Renewal Mills 0 Auto-Renewal Norwood 1 Auto-Renewal Rea 0 Arbitration Rodriguez 3 Auto-Renewal Ryan 0 Arbitration Steele 1 Auto-Renewal Tepera 0 Arbitration Underwood Jr Auto-Renewal Wick 1 Auto-Renewal Wieck 1 Auto-Renewal Winkler 1 Arbitration Eligible
CATCHERS 3 Amaya 2 Auto-Renewal Caratini 0 Arbitration Eligible Contreras 0 Arbitration Eligible
INFIELDERS 7 Baez 0 Arbitration Eligible Bote 1 1.1M Bryant 0 Arbitration Eligible Hoerner 3 Auto-Renewal Martínez 1 Arbitration Eligible Rizzo 0 16.5M Vargas 0 Auto-Renewal
OUTFIELDERS 4 Almora 0 Arbitration Eligible Happ 2 Arbitration Eligible Heyward 0 21M Schwarber 2 Arbitration Eligible
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Post by irishcubfan on Sept 28, 2020 12:25:30 GMT -5
May as well get rid of Maples, Osich, Ryan, Vargas, and Almora.
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Post by jerm42991 on Sept 28, 2020 12:41:22 GMT -5
May as well get rid of Maples, Osich, Ryan, Vargas, and Almora. No way they dump Maples
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Post by TheChico on Sept 28, 2020 12:49:33 GMT -5
May as well get rid of Maples, Osich, Ryan, Vargas, and Almora. No way they dump Maples He is out of options but likely will get a chance to compete for a roster spot next spring, if he is pretty much the same then will be DFA.
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Post by jerm42991 on Sept 28, 2020 13:24:11 GMT -5
He is out of options but likely will get a chance to compete for a roster spot next spring, if he is pretty much the same then will be DFA. I think he has to much upside for them to drop him. I just don’t see there being 8 guys in our pen who are so good they put Maples out
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Post by skokiejoe on Sept 28, 2020 13:25:16 GMT -5
My guess:
For Sure: Almora Vargas Osich Maybe: Steele Rea No: Ryan Maples
Rea seemed to have fallen out of favor.
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Post by TheChico on Sept 28, 2020 13:57:06 GMT -5
He is out of options but likely will get a chance to compete for a roster spot next spring, if he is pretty much the same then will be DFA. I think he has to much upside for them to drop him. I just don’t see there being 8 guys in our pen who are so good they put Maples out just depends on the offseason, it is likely he will get one last shot this spring, you are right the upside is there but never put it together at this point. The movement on his pitches is a blessing to have but feels like a curse not being able to command that type of movement but not impossible, Arrieta has similar issues until he pretty much changed the way he throws.
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Post by lu13cubbie on Sept 28, 2020 17:20:26 GMT -5
My guess: For Sure: Almora Vargas Osich Maybe: Steele Rea No: Ryan Maples Rea seemed to have fallen out of favor. 'ello, my name is Almora Vargas Osich. You killed my father, prepare to die sorry, just struck me as funny
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Post by symposiumx on Sept 28, 2020 17:59:38 GMT -5
My guess: For Sure: Almora Vargas Osich Maybe: Steele Rea No: Ryan Maples Rea seemed to have fallen out of favor. 'ello, my name is Almora Vargas Osich. You killed my father, prepare to die sorry, just struck me as funny Does that make Antonio Alfonseca the..... DUN DUN DUN!
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Post by Mike on Oct 2, 2020 17:43:57 GMT -5
RULE 5 Additions: Cory Abbott RHSP Christopher Morel 3B -----50/50------ P.J. Higgins 3B/1B/C Michael Rucker RHP Trevor Megill RHRP [hi, remember me?] Duncan Robinson RHSP Dakota Mekkes RHRP Keegan Thompson RHSP Brendon Little LHSP Aramis Ademan SS [former Cubs #1 prospect] Trent Giambrone 2B/LF
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Post by ddevonb on Oct 5, 2020 18:41:26 GMT -5
May as well get rid of Maples, Osich, Ryan, Vargas, and Almora. No way they dump Maples Nor Ryan. His ERA is skewed by only a few bad outings.
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 6, 2020 8:46:39 GMT -5
Nor Ryan. His ERA is skewed by only a few bad outings. Giving up 5hr in 15 innings will do that to you. And 3 of those against lefties, not good for a lefty specialist with a funky delivery and lacking decent velocity. And the 4th came to Josh Bell from his significantly weaker right side. I think he'll stick around because they have few other MLB proven lefties on the team going forward and because he's relatively cheap, but he shouldn't be one of the first 3 or 4 guys you turn to in a pen, and that's what they need going forward.
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Post by batman66 on Oct 6, 2020 10:12:18 GMT -5
May as well get rid of Maples, Osich, Ryan, Vargas, and Almora. No way they dump Maples I think it's more like no way Maples is on the 2021 roster. He is out of options and it's pretty clear they have ZERO patience with him since every time he is up he has a horrible outing and gets sent back down. They seem to have no confidence he can work through his issues on the major league level. If any time was his time, it was 2020 with so many new arms and projects it was his chance and well .... he sucked , they got 1 inning out of him.
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 6, 2020 10:16:38 GMT -5
I think it's more like no way Maples is on the 2021 roster. He is out of options and it's pretty clear they have ZERO patience with him since every time he is up he has a horrible outing and gets sent back down. They seem to have no confidence he can work through his issues on the major league level. If any time was his time, it was 2020 with so many new arms and projects it was his chance and well .... he sucked , they got 1 inning out of him. IMO the 3 batter rule doomed Maples. He's got crazy good stuff, but if he's not on that day he can walk 2 or 3 really quickly, before you can pull him. A shame in all this time he hasn't been able to harness it.
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Post by batman66 on Oct 6, 2020 10:22:13 GMT -5
I think it's more like no way Maples is on the 2021 roster. He is out of options and it's pretty clear they have ZERO patience with him since every time he is up he has a horrible outing and gets sent back down. They seem to have no confidence he can work through his issues on the major league level. If any time was his time, it was 2020 with so many new arms and projects it was his chance and well .... he sucked , they got 1 inning out of him. IMO the 3 batter rule doomed Maples. He's got crazy good stuff, but if he's not on that day he can walk 2 or 3 really quickly, before you can pull him. A shame in all this time he hasn't been able to harness it. Well it did not help him that's for sure but he could not stay on the roster for long periods of time before this season either. And I can almost guarandamtee it that when he moves on to another team he is going to figure it out and be a dominating late inning guy.
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Post by batman66 on Oct 6, 2020 18:45:45 GMT -5
Lester sounds like he wants to be back. Said hopefully we can work something out. Sounds like he doesn't expect the option to be picked up but is open to a new deal.
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Post by fine09 on Oct 7, 2020 8:20:42 GMT -5
Lester sounds like he wants to be back. Said hopefully we can work something out. Sounds like he doesn't expect the option to be picked up but is open to a new deal. I hope so but I just don't see Jon taking less than 10 mil for a season & that is still quite an over-pay based on his 2020 overall performance.
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Post by rvn11 on Oct 7, 2020 8:37:40 GMT -5
Lester sounds like he wants to be back. Said hopefully we can work something out. Sounds like he doesn't expect the option to be picked up but is open to a new deal. Ugh, I just don't know on that one. As much as I love Lester and want his presence in the clubhouse he was pretty much toast this year. Even the last few seasons the stuff has faded significantly and he's been more of a smoke and mirrors kind of guy. Even on the cheap as a #5 starter I'd almost rather they not waste the opportunity to try out or at least seek somebody else that might have a future impact.
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Post by batman66 on Oct 7, 2020 8:47:24 GMT -5
Lester sounds like he wants to be back. Said hopefully we can work something out. Sounds like he doesn't expect the option to be picked up but is open to a new deal. Ugh, I just don't know on that one. As much as I love Lester and want his presence in the clubhouse he was pretty much toast this year. Even the last few seasons the stuff has faded significantly and he's been more of a smoke and mirrors kind of guy. Even on the cheap as a #5 starter I'd almost rather they not waste the opportunity to try out or at least seek somebody else that might have a future impact. Well since there is Darvish and Hendricks and then nobody set in stone after , I know there is Mills , but I really don't want him as anything more than a 5th starter, and I'd rather have Lester as they 5th starter because of his presence alone over Mills. They need to come up with a legit 3 from outside the organization.
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Post by patriot544 on Oct 7, 2020 9:21:04 GMT -5
Ugh, I just don't know on that one. As much as I love Lester and want his presence in the clubhouse he was pretty much toast this year. Even the last few seasons the stuff has faded significantly and he's been more of a smoke and mirrors kind of guy. Even on the cheap as a #5 starter I'd almost rather they not waste the opportunity to try out or at least seek somebody else that might have a future impact. Well since there is Darvish and Hendricks and then nobody set in stone after , I know there is Mills , but I really don't want him as anything more than a 5th starter, and I'd rather have Lester as they 5th starter because of his presence alone over Mills. They need to come up with a legit 3 from outside the organization. There isn’t enough money even on the Yankees to find three pitchers from outside the organization. Mills will definitely be one of our SP next year and for his prize tag I’m happy about that. He is a great 4/5 while he is cheap. as for Lester I ask how much will he get on the open market. We owe him 10 million no matter what. Count that as a sunk cost so if he would renegotiate and the 18 that’s really only 8 million for a SP. that’s my idea.
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