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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 4:13:50 GMT -5
OK, we all know what we all know. The BP has been an unmitigated disaster and will continue to be. What do we do?
1. Send Kimbrel to the set up role if he blows 1 or 2 more games? 2. Bring up fresh arms from the taxi squad (Márquez, Abbott, Thompson, Carraway) and rotate them on the 3 man taxi group allowed? 3. Trade for a proven reliever for the setup roles?
What would you do?
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Post by lu13cubbie on Jul 28, 2020 5:00:08 GMT -5
keep on winning and give the BP a chance to work through their troubles
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Post by nickster on Jul 28, 2020 6:36:17 GMT -5
Need better talent. Can’t fix the problem from the inside.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 28, 2020 6:48:34 GMT -5
OK, we all know what we all know. The BP has been an unmitigated disaster and will continue to be. What do we do? 1. Send Kimbrel to the set up role if he blows 1 or 2 more games? 2. Bring up fresh arms from the taxi squad (Márquez, Abbott, Thompson, Carraway) and rotate them on the 3 man taxi group allowed? 3. Trade for a proven reliever for the setup roles? What would you do? 1) Give Kimbrel more than one appearance before making a drastic change. I know nobody trusts him after last year but he hadn’t seen a game mound in 6 days, that affects some guys. Trust that Ross is correct in saying it’s rust and not just coach speak. If it continues then Jeffress takes over. 2) Imo, no. Those guys are crucial to future success, you don’t want to compromise them in a season like this. If the team continues on a pace like these first 4 games and is a legit contender then eventually maybe Marquez in a Hader/Andrew Miller type role, but not too soon. 3) Good luck making trades right now. Taking in a player from another team was proven risky this past weekend. Additionally with expanded playoffs everybody’s in it still and thus not trading. And if they do it should be a sellers market with teams competing for talent. Imo there’s no easy way to fix this, just like the last few years. A guy like Montgomery is showing how valuable he was despite some ugly numbers. Just buckle up because it’s gonna be a rough ride.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 28, 2020 7:51:45 GMT -5
OK, we all know what we all know. The BP has been an unmitigated disaster and will continue to be. What do we do? 1. Send Kimbrel to the set up role if he blows 1 or 2 more games? 2. Bring up fresh arms from the taxi squad (Márquez, Abbott, Thompson, Carraway) and rotate them on the 3 man taxi group allowed? 3. Trade for a proven reliever for the setup roles? What would you do? As horribly uncomfortable as it was watching that potential train wreck of a finish last night it is WAY too early to make a fair assessment of the BP as a whole based on that minuscule sample size. Is it possible that you are correct that this BP disaster situation will continue? Yes, but that is highly unlikely to that extent. 1. I would not move Kimbrel to any other role right now & just hope that he gets his control back on track. Even if he gets hit hard it would still be better than free passes with BB's & HBP's. 2. They might swap a reliever with the taxi squad but it might have more to do with needing a fresh arm than from giving up hope. It would be unusual but they might consider using one of our starters (Yu or Chatty) for 1 inning because it should be their "throw day" & if they could be trusted to not over-tax their arms for 1 inning that would really come in handy today. 3. It is highly unlikely that they can or will trade for a proven reliever for two reasons. 1, the cost would be 5 times too much as it should be just because the trading team can ask for the sky. & 2, the Cubs are already over the 1st. salary cap level that they MUST get underneath for future spending capability. As I have stated in many other posts, the budget is real & it matters more to the Cubs this year than it ever has before.. In my mind we just have to hope that Rossy & Hottovy can sit down with the relievers that have struggled & explain to them that they just need to throw strikes especially in cases like last night when the only thing that can kill you is multiple base runners, not a 6 run home run.. Don't give up hope, just lay in a good supply of antacids & hold on. Go Cubs!!
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Post by jerm42991 on Jul 28, 2020 8:59:03 GMT -5
OK, we all know what we all know. The BP has been an unmitigated disaster and will continue to be. What do we do? 1. Send Kimbrel to the set up role if he blows 1 or 2 more games? 2. Bring up fresh arms from the taxi squad (Márquez, Abbott, Thompson, Carraway) and rotate them on the 3 man taxi group allowed? 3. Trade for a proven reliever for the setup roles? What would you do? 1) Give Kimbrel more than one appearance before making a drastic change. I know nobody trusts him after last year but he hadn’t seen a game mound in 6 days, that affects some guys. Trust that Ross is correct in saying it’s rust and not just coach speak. If it continues then Jeffress takes over. 2) Imo, no. Those guys are crucial to future success, you don’t want to compromise them in a season like this. If the team continues on a pace like these first 4 games and is a legit contender then eventually maybe Marquez in a Hader/Andrew Miller type role, but not too soon. 3) Good luck making trades right now. Taking in a player from another team was proven risky this past weekend. Additionally with expanded playoffs everybody’s in it still and thus not trading. And if they do it should be a sellers market with teams competing for talent. Imo there’s no easy way to fix this, just like the last few years. A guy like Montgomery is showing how valuable he was despite some ugly numbers. Just buckle up because it’s gonna be a rough ride. I agree with this 100%.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2020 9:10:38 GMT -5
One thing that kind of worries me about Kimbrel besides the obvious we are seeing is he and a lot of closers work off adrenaline and with no crowd up and roaring will this be as issue that will affect them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 9:20:58 GMT -5
One thing that kind of worries me about Kimbrel besides the obvious we are seeing is he and a lot of closers work off adrenaline and with no crowd up and roaring will this be as issue that will affect them. Good point, adrenaline types get frustrated easier I think.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2020 9:25:10 GMT -5
I will buy Rossys excuse its rust this time. Kimbrel did hit 97 a few times so velocity wise he was ok , just could not locate it. But I also think its getting mental with Kimbrel and that scares me. Not sure how to fix the pen. I knew it could be the weak spot and its looked like shit so far but you have to give it more than 4 games. There are always guys who seem to step up out of nowhere so thats what I am hoping for. Last year at this time who had Ryan and Wick ending up as the go to guys?
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Post by GoCubsGo4ever on Jul 28, 2020 9:25:58 GMT -5
One thing that kind of worries me about Kimbrel besides the obvious we are seeing is he and a lot of closers work off adrenaline and with no crowd up and roaring will this be as issue that will affect them. Jeffress said the same thing during his interview, which is in a Cubs.com article.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2020 9:29:15 GMT -5
Not only frustrated, there is not the crowd noise element to help pump them up. But back to frustration, that can lead to them thinking too much instead of the here it is hit if if you can mentality. That is what made Morrow so good when he could pitch. He just went at guys. did not try to nibble or fool thrm.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2020 10:34:08 GMT -5
One thing that kind of worries me about Kimbrel besides the obvious we are seeing is he and a lot of closers work off adrenaline and with no crowd up and roaring will this be as issue that will affect them. Shit, I did not even think about that one.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2020 11:43:42 GMT -5
I thought about that last night. Especially guys like him who have their own entrance songs that amp up a crowd. Just looking at his demeanor on the mound its just not the same feeling. Last night it seemed like the same vibe he has if he was put in a non save situation game.
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Post by idontcare on Jul 28, 2020 13:42:14 GMT -5
OK, we all know what we all know. The BP has been an unmitigated disaster and will continue to be. What do we do? 1. Send Kimbrel to the set up role if he blows 1 or 2 more games? 2. Bring up fresh arms from the taxi squad (Márquez, Abbott, Thompson, Carraway) and rotate them on the 3 man taxi group allowed? 3. Trade for a proven reliever for the setup roles? What would you do? It's not going to be an immediate solution but the Braves just released Foltynewicz, I would sign him for insurance in the rotation and long relief. As far as Kimbrel, it's just one game. I would get him back in action as soon as possible after a brief discussion with the pitching coach, bullpen coach, Ross and some analytic guys. One, I would want to know if it's mechanical or if he simply over throwing the fastball. I'd work on scaling it back because if the fastball is ineffective the knuckle curve is wasted. It could be that given the shorter ramp up time the past two seasons, Kimbrel is overthrowing his fastball because his arm strength isn't where it should be and feels like he needs to throw 95+. I don't see an immediate need to go outside the organization (except with Foltynewicz or maybe another reliever that wasn't signed) to fill any gaps. The season is short to begin with and you don't want to give up any minor league talent for a proven closer/set up man. Worst case we may have to roll with Jeffers in the closer role.
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Post by TheChico on Jul 28, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
I would like Foltynewicz, but he going to be claimed by another team before the Cubs get their chance.
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Post by idontcare on Jul 28, 2020 13:58:59 GMT -5
I would like Foltynewicz, but he going to be claimed by another team before the Cubs get their chance. I may be mistaken but released means he can sign anywhere. He wasn't put on waivers (or waifers) which would mean another team would get a chance to claim him.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 28, 2020 14:10:37 GMT -5
I would like Foltynewicz, but he going to be claimed by another team before the Cubs get their chance. I may be mistaken but released means he can sign anywhere. He wasn't put on waivers (or waifers) which would mean another team would get a chance to claim him. Damaged goods his velocity is way down.
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Post by jessicubs on Jul 28, 2020 14:17:28 GMT -5
All we can do is hope that a few of the 11 guys step up and establish themselves as the go to guys in the late innings by the end of the year. I am hoping Rowan Wick and Kyle Ryan can become high leverage arms for us.
Kimbrel proved last night he would be a solid setup man, after all he got a hold.
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Post by idontcare on Jul 28, 2020 14:32:31 GMT -5
I may be mistaken but released means he can sign anywhere. He wasn't put on waivers (or waifers) which would mean another team would get a chance to claim him. Damaged goods his velocity is way down. That is great and all but he would still be under contract until 2022 and would come at a prorated league minimum for this season. He would be a no risk high reward signing and everyone knows his velocity is down so far this season, a season where he didn't have an entire camp to get ready. Doesn't mean you cannot sign him (for a prorated minimum again) and possibly put him on the 60 man to ramp him up or in the bullpen to build up some more arm strength. Granted, the Braves saw more of him and decided to release him but again, very low risk signing.
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Post by batman66 on Jul 28, 2020 14:32:53 GMT -5
Foltys velocity has dropped off the table so I would pass. He used to get it up around 98 as recently as his all star 2018 and I think they said he did not even hit 90 once last night.
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