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Post by fine09 on Jul 14, 2020 14:57:10 GMT -5
It's going to be a wild off season for sure and those mid-upper contracts you mentioned will also most likely take a hit. I just hope the ones making the 5 mil & under aren't hit hard and honestly they could do well if the pissing matches with the upper contracts stall too long because the teams might punt & sign a couple of those fall back guys for 3 years. This is why I really hope the Cubs can swing below the luxury tax in this third of a season and take advantage of some discount free agent signings (IMO). In all honesty, if Epstein/Ricketts were willing to be advantageous and go over the luxury tax next year, they could really benefit from it both via trade and in the free agent market. Think about like a bank: Ray trade player A to the D-Backs for prospect B and C, Cubs send D-Backs cash and joe blow for prospect D. In free agency, instead of having to buy Odorizzi (or someone or two similar) at 3 years 45 million as previously thought, you get them at 3 years 30 million and in a year or two you have a decent arm you can flip if you choose. By taking advantage of other teams financial struggles, if you are adventurous enough, you can set the team up with a prospect turn stile. Maybe you can snag Robbie Ray and/or Stroman at a discount. That’s exactly what I want them to do as well.. Somehow get back under this year & go hog wild next..
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Post by tehmpus on Jul 14, 2020 14:57:21 GMT -5
It's going to be a wild off season for sure and those mid-upper contracts you mentioned will also most likely take a hit. I just hope the ones making the 5 mil & under aren't hit hard and honestly they could do well if the pissing matches with the upper contracts stall too long because the teams might punt & sign a couple of those fall back guys for 3 years. This is why I really hope the Cubs can swing below the luxury tax in this third of a season and take advantage of some discount free agent signings (IMO). In all honesty, if Epstein/Ricketts were willing to be advantageous and go over the luxury tax next year, they could really benefit from it both via trade and in the free agent market. Think about like a bank: Ray trade player A to the D-Backs for prospect B and C, Cubs send D-Backs cash and joe blow for prospect D. In free agency, instead of having to buy Odorizzi (or someone or two similar) at 3 years 45 million as previously thought, you get them at 3 years 30 million and in a year or two you have a decent arm you can flip if you choose. By taking advantage of other teams financial struggles, if you are adventurous enough, you can set the team up with a prospect turn stile. Maybe you can snag Robbie Ray and/or Stroman at a discount. Totally agree with this. If prices are lower on certain free agents, the Cubs should be prepared to go over the luxury tax, and reap the benefit of discounted talent.
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Post by idontcare on Jul 14, 2020 14:57:58 GMT -5
On average, "stars" do not see the brunt of economic swings, it's the middle market guys. Quintana, Chatwood, basically everyone going into free agency not named Betts or Realmuto. Realmuto will be the highest paid catcher in the league, the only thing that might alter the length of his deal is the history of Posey and Mauer. Betts will make 300 million or more. Again, it's not the super stars but the mid-guys. The guys that were making 12-15 million per year are going to see their value drop almost in half. Maybe some upper talent like Rizzo will see his value drop from around 25 million to the 20 range. Bryant is a wild card though, he has the talent but has not performed number-wise for the past couple of seasons. KB is going to need a huge season and a 1/3 if he thinks he is going to sniff 30 million AAV "Bryant is a wild card though, he has the talent but has not performed number-wise for the past couple of seasons." We have to stop peddling this lie..... Bryant had the 22nd highest wRC+ in baseball last season, exactly the same as Mookie Betts at 135. 2017-2019 Bryant 137 wRC+ Mookie Betts 140 wRC+..... Harper 136 wRC+. To put these in to perspective, Lindor 121 and Manny Machado 117. Bryant is ELITE, not a wild card/ Cool story.... 3.7 WAR and 1.9 WAR vs. 10.6 and 6.9... You get your fucking panties in a bunch more than any poster on this board. I said Bryant is a wild card in terms of thinking, are you getting the 3.7 WAR player who has good numbers but hasn't been driving in runs or the MVP caliber player because one player is worth top dollar and the other is not.
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Post by tehmpus on Jul 14, 2020 15:02:44 GMT -5
"Bryant is a wild card though, he has the talent but has not performed number-wise for the past couple of seasons." We have to stop peddling this lie..... Bryant had the 22nd highest wRC+ in baseball last season, exactly the same as Mookie Betts at 135. 2017-2019 Bryant 137 wRC+ Mookie Betts 140 wRC+..... Harper 136 wRC+. To put these in to perspective, Lindor 121 and Manny Machado 117. Bryant is ELITE, not a wild card/ Cool story.... 3.7 WAR and 1.9 WAR vs. 10.6 and 6.9... You get your fucking panties in a bunch more than any poster on this board. I said Bryant is a wild card in terms of thinking, are you getting the 3.7 WAR player who has good numbers but hasn't been driving in runs or the MVP caliber player because one player is worth top dollar and the other is not. No need to comment on Fitz's panties. If he likes them loose or bunched, it's his choice.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 14, 2020 15:07:56 GMT -5
This is why I really hope the Cubs can swing below the luxury tax in this third of a season and take advantage of some discount free agent signings (IMO). In all honesty, if Epstein/Ricketts were willing to be advantageous and go over the luxury tax next year, they could really benefit from it both via trade and in the free agent market. Think about like a bank: Ray trade player A to the D-Backs for prospect B and C, Cubs send D-Backs cash and joe blow for prospect D. In free agency, instead of having to buy Odorizzi (or someone or two similar) at 3 years 45 million as previously thought, you get them at 3 years 30 million and in a year or two you have a decent arm you can flip if you choose. By taking advantage of other teams financial struggles, if you are adventurous enough, you can set the team up with a prospect turn stile. Maybe you can snag Robbie Ray and/or Stroman at a discount. Totally agree with this. If prices are lower on certain free agents, the Cubs should be prepared to go over the luxury tax, and reap the benefit of discounted talent. I'd love to see them get aggressive and take advantage of a potentially down market, but there's already been talk from the front office not just of the financial implications of trading somebody right now, but the ethical implications of it sending somebody to a new situation mid pandemic. Beyond getting another team to take on a large contract, which could be unlikely, the human side of it all is much deeper than in years past. If you want to be cutthroat it can still happen, but the way I heard Theo talk about it last week made me think that he could be very torn on trading somebody this year.
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Post by tehmpus on Jul 14, 2020 15:09:32 GMT -5
Totally agree with this. If prices are lower on certain free agents, the Cubs should be prepared to go over the luxury tax, and reap the benefit of discounted talent. I'd love to see them get aggressive and take advantage of a potentially down market, but there's already been talk from the front office not just of the financial implications of trading somebody right now, but the ethical implications of it sending somebody to a new situation mid pandemic. Beyond getting another team to take on a large contract, which could be unlikely, the human side of it all is much deeper than in years past. If you want to be cutthroat it can still happen, but the way I heard Theo talk about it last week made me think that he could be very torn on trading somebody this year. If Quintana can just choose to sit out this year due to COVID, then we're under the tax.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 14, 2020 15:25:46 GMT -5
"Bryant is a wild card though, he has the talent but has not performed number-wise for the past couple of seasons." We have to stop peddling this lie..... Bryant had the 22nd highest wRC+ in baseball last season, exactly the same as Mookie Betts at 135. 2017-2019 Bryant 137 wRC+ Mookie Betts 140 wRC+..... Harper 136 wRC+. To put these in to perspective, Lindor 121 and Manny Machado 117. Bryant is ELITE, not a wild card/ Cool story.... 3.7 WAR and 1.9 WAR vs. 10.6 and 6.9... You get your fucking panties in a bunch more than any poster on this board. I said Bryant is a wild card in terms of thinking, are you getting the 3.7 WAR player who has good numbers but hasn't been driving in runs or the MVP caliber player because one player is worth top dollar and the other is not. Mookie Betts plays right fucking field. Who give s a shit. Guys get paid based off how they hit or Harper isn't getting a 300 million dollar contract. Bryant is a wild card in your mind because he's a Cub and you watch him every day. Bryant has put up ELITE numbers every season besides his injury season. 2015-2019 wRC+ Betts - 120, 136, 107, 185 (Red Sox accused of cheating, and proven to have cheated), 135 = Career 135 Bryant - 136, 148, 147, 126, 135 = Career 139 Betts is the actual wild card, not Bryant. Betts is all over the place.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 14, 2020 15:26:48 GMT -5
Cool story.... 3.7 WAR and 1.9 WAR vs. 10.6 and 6.9... You get your fucking panties in a bunch more than any poster on this board. I said Bryant is a wild card in terms of thinking, are you getting the 3.7 WAR player who has good numbers but hasn't been driving in runs or the MVP caliber player because one player is worth top dollar and the other is not. No need to comment on Fitz's panties. If he likes them loose or bunched, it's his choice. Better to wear them under my pants vs over my head, right?
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 14, 2020 15:27:34 GMT -5
I'd love to see them get aggressive and take advantage of a potentially down market, but there's already been talk from the front office not just of the financial implications of trading somebody right now, but the ethical implications of it sending somebody to a new situation mid pandemic. Beyond getting another team to take on a large contract, which could be unlikely, the human side of it all is much deeper than in years past. If you want to be cutthroat it can still happen, but the way I heard Theo talk about it last week made me think that he could be very torn on trading somebody this year. If Quintana can just choose to sit out this year due to COVID, then we're under the tax. Yeah but I'd think that would look pretty shady on both his and the Cubs behalf. Additionally as a pending free agent that could be viewed as a negative for teams going forward, whether they claim "no questions asked" or not. He'd be throwing away money, zero benefit to himself and only the Cubs.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 14, 2020 15:30:58 GMT -5
You want shady...... all KB needs to do is play 2 games I think and his service time is met. How about getting back at the Cubs and sitting after 2 games for the rest of the year for the 12 days thingy kidding obviously, KB wouldn't do that.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 14, 2020 16:03:52 GMT -5
Will Rizzo play in the Intra Squad game today? No Rizzo tonight.... had BP yesterday and still experienced lower back tightness. Still day to day, will have more tests done.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Jul 14, 2020 16:14:32 GMT -5
CORRECTION: BP was Sunday and he still has tightness.... OUT tonight.
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Post by rvn11 on Jul 14, 2020 16:17:46 GMT -5
Getting an MRI. Damnit
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Post by jpepitone on Jul 14, 2020 16:27:35 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if losing all that weight might have had a negative effect.
The body gets used to being a certain weight, and any gain or reduction could cause problems.
Anything is possible I guess.
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Post by idontcare on Jul 14, 2020 16:46:48 GMT -5
Cool story.... 3.7 WAR and 1.9 WAR vs. 10.6 and 6.9... You get your fucking panties in a bunch more than any poster on this board. I said Bryant is a wild card in terms of thinking, are you getting the 3.7 WAR player who has good numbers but hasn't been driving in runs or the MVP caliber player because one player is worth top dollar and the other is not. Mookie Betts plays right fucking field. Who give s a shit. Guys get paid based off how they hit or Harper isn't getting a 300 million dollar contract. Bryant is a wild card in your mind because he's a Cub and you watch him every day. Bryant has put up ELITE numbers every season besides his injury season. 2015-2019 wRC+ Betts - 120, 136, 107, 185 (Red Sox accused of cheating, and proven to have cheated), 135 = Career 135 Bryant - 136, 148, 147, 126, 135 = Career 139 Betts is the actual wild card, not Bryant. Betts is all over the place. Do you need a tissue? 6.1, 9.5, 6.3, 10.6, 6.9 Kris Bryant has beat those numbers once in his career. I mean you can cry about wRC+ all you want but anyone with half a brain knows Betts is the better all around player. Bryant is an elite hitter and base runner. Betts is an elite hitter, baserunner, base stealer and defender... period.... You say, "Mookie Betts plays right fucking field" well according to KB's defensive stats at third base, maybe he should play right fucking field as well. You are all caught up on "wild card", I was referring to his contract BTW because he hasn't produced at an elite level in two years and his defense has taken a step backwards the past three years. I've actually said I feel more comfortable with Bryant long term than Baez but when you throw out that he is at Betts level, who is a top 5 player in the league, you look and sound foolish. Go ahead and look at any list, Trout, Bellinger, Yelich and Betts. Trout one, the other three you can throw a dart at.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 14, 2020 17:08:49 GMT -5
Bad news about Rizzo, I have a bad feeling about this.
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Post by jerm42991 on Jul 14, 2020 17:54:18 GMT -5
Bad news about Rizzo, I have a bad feeling about this. Why? He goes through this literally every year
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Post by fine09 on Jul 14, 2020 18:02:09 GMT -5
No need to comment on Fitz's panties. If he likes them loose or bunched, it's his choice. Better to wear them under my pants vs over my head, right? Nothing good about a brown mask man.. Don't do it.
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Post by fine09 on Jul 14, 2020 18:03:35 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if losing all that weight might have had a negative effect. The body gets used to being a certain weight, and any gain or reduction could cause problems. Anything is possible I guess. His back issues are yearly so in this case I doubt it.
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Post by skokiejoe on Jul 14, 2020 23:01:05 GMT -5
Bad news about Rizzo, I have a bad feeling about this. Why? He goes through this literally every year Seems different to me. I hope I’m wrong
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