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Post by ddevonb on May 11, 2020 18:16:35 GMT -5
What are those dollars? There won't be any fans in the stands and how do those dollars split between all players? Is a 30 million AAV player getting more, the same or less? Or a 5 million AAV player. Players are the one's feeling they're taking all the risks and from what I read they don't want to give up any of their salary dollars. Owners are going to have to open their books you would think so the players get an understanding of the revenue they will receive. I totally get where the players are coming from and make a great point, but the owners are losing a ton of money and to even get the season going, there is going to be extra cost on the owners, like testing, hiring additional staff for the testing and etc. Also I see MLB following the NBA model on how to split the revenue and how they have their salary structure. I don't know any other way you can do it. Anyhow, I think the final solution will be that the players do take a 2020 paycut but the amount being cut gets deferred to a later date to be paid out. They really don't need to open the books. All media money is public knowledge and already available to the players. The owners might benefit by showing them there expenses. I don't think the owners will offer deferred money. This is an extreme situation where virtually every team would have to suffer big losses if the players make no concessions. Either players will give concessions or the owners will cancel the season. Playing for a discounted salary for one season is much better than sitting out the season with no pay.
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Post by southpaw773 on May 11, 2020 19:11:11 GMT -5
So the mega millionaires could greed out and screw over the little guys making the league minimum?
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Post by ddevonb on May 12, 2020 8:59:40 GMT -5
So the mega millionaires could greed out and screw over the little guys making the league minimum? This isn't about greed. Most owners would be operating at a huge loss. They have have cash flow to pay salaries. Last year the Cubs payroll was $220 million. The TV revenue was $65 million plus a fairly small amount from radio. Even with a half season they would be paying out at least $70 million more than they take in. Regardless of net worth, they don't have $70 million in an account. They would have to go to a bank to get a loan to cover the losses. Accusing a team losing $70 million of greed is wrong. They are asking the players to share the burden in a time of crisis. They could just choose to shut the season down, not lose the money and the players don't get paid. Companies all over the country are laying of employees to cut their losses. The employees are making most wages in comparison to MLB players. Even a minimum salary guy gets more than can imagine making. MLB would rather the players make good money than no money at all. That is not screwing anyone... it is trying to make a bad situation work.
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Post by Reverency on May 12, 2020 9:04:49 GMT -5
So the mega millionaires could greed out and screw over the little guys making the league minimum? Per usual. Sigh. I don't like the DH (now or ever), and I don't see any real rationale for it other than pushing someone's agenda. I can't see the negotiations being anything other than contentious. Just what changes Covid is going to make to the future of all sports will be interesting. I really DO miss sports, however. Hitting golf balls in my back yard just isn't as much fun (though I do have a BIG back yard).
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 9:13:37 GMT -5
Boras chiming in, wants players to reject the offer.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:18:25 GMT -5
Here we go guys.... There are major rumors about teams making big money players available for pennies on the dollar to help offset the loss of revenue with no fans. Cubs are the #1 team to keep an eye on per most MLB experts (Kris Bryant). Buster Olney said 70% of Cubs revenue is fans related and based on what he has heard he'd be very surprised baseball plays in 2020.
Players tweets from last night and in to the morning sounds like there may be a fight between players and owners to get back to baseball.
Owners Rep: "We're not trying to regulate payrolls, we're not trying to set a precedent, none of the above. It's not a salary cap." Tony Clark: "A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period."
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Post by rvn11 on May 12, 2020 9:21:04 GMT -5
I figured this would happen eventually. Everybody was playing too nice, ignoring the elephant in the room of salary. If this stops the season from happening I’ll be so disappointed. I understand both arguments but this is a time when both sides need to compromise and work together.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:21:52 GMT -5
I told you all this would happen. It wasn't going to be as easy as just playing baseball. Just start the CBA fight now before we lose 2 full MLB seasons.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:24:04 GMT -5
Report: Teams will lose 100-150 million dollars per team without fans.
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Post by TheChico on May 12, 2020 9:34:52 GMT -5
They will work it out, it is going to be a fight, but the worst absolute thing they can do and really do major damage long term to baseball is not play in 2020 because of money dispute. They have to work it out, you lose a good chunk of fan base long term.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:35:07 GMT -5
MLB guys like Passan, Morosi, Onley, Rosenthal, etc, are pretty much saying bye bye to 300 million contracts.... at least in the near future. Teams will not pay guys that kind of money with all the money they are losing. Mookie Betts won't get anything close to 300 million now according to industry experts.
How does this impact Cubs players? Well, could be a tough spot for the Cubs (all teams as well). Unless players are willing to sign for less, expect to see almost all teams best players who are within free agency the next 2-3 years to take their chances and test the market.
IMO, I still think the Cubs and Baez can get something done, but you can pretty much say good bye to Bryant. He was probably gone anyway, but COVID19 probably made that a true reality now.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:37:00 GMT -5
They will work it out, it is going to be a fight, but the worst absolute thing they can do and really do major damage long term to baseball is not play in 2020 because of money dispute. They have to work it out, you lose a good chunk of fan base long term. Check out players tweets, I'm pessimistic.
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Post by TheChico on May 12, 2020 9:44:30 GMT -5
They will work it out, it is going to be a fight, but the worst absolute thing they can do and really do major damage long term to baseball is not play in 2020 because of money dispute. They have to work it out, you lose a good chunk of fan base long term. Check out players tweets, I'm pessimistic. It is always going to get ugly like this, but if it is not wise for the players to not budge or work something out. Owners might cave and pay the players a prorated salary but the owners will just find other ways to recoup their losses at the players expenses. Guys like Mookie Betts is going to be pissed once he finds out he has to take less money per year in free agency then he is making now.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 9:49:49 GMT -5
Check out players tweets, I'm pessimistic. It is always going to get ugly like this, but if it is not wise for the players to not budge or work something out. Owners might cave and pay the players a prorated salary but the owners will just find other ways to recoup their losses at the players expenses. Guys like Mookie Betts is going to be pissed once he finds out he has to take less money per year in free agency then he is making now. If I'm Mookie I probably just sign 1 year deals until things open up. Even if he gets hurt someone will pay him.
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Post by TheChico on May 12, 2020 10:09:35 GMT -5
It is always going to get ugly like this, but if it is not wise for the players to not budge or work something out. Owners might cave and pay the players a prorated salary but the owners will just find other ways to recoup their losses at the players expenses. Guys like Mookie Betts is going to be pissed once he finds out he has to take less money per year in free agency then he is making now. If I'm Mookie I probably just sign 1 year deals until things open up. Even if he gets hurt someone will pay him. I can see that, resigns back with the Dodgers and tries again in 2022, but if players stand their ground and get their way in 2020 season, it will take years for owners to recoup the losses which means they will take it out in free agency the most.
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Post by rvn11 on May 12, 2020 10:21:41 GMT -5
On top of any losses this year, which may be likely, it’s possible that revenue streams going forward aren’t what they used to be, which would further impact the free agent landscape for who knows how long.
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Post by threeandone on May 12, 2020 11:58:51 GMT -5
Boras chiming in, wants players to reject the offer. HA! That means its going to cost Boras and his firm some money.
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Post by ddevonb on May 12, 2020 12:46:19 GMT -5
Here we go guys.... There are major rumors about teams making big money players available for pennies on the dollar to help offset the loss of revenue with no fans. Cubs are the #1 team to keep an eye on per most MLB experts (Kris Bryant). Buster Olney said 70% of Cubs revenue is fans related and based on what he has heard he'd be very surprised baseball plays in 2020. Players tweets from last night and in to the morning sounds like there may be a fight between players and owners to get back to baseball. Owners Rep: "We're not trying to regulate payrolls, we're not trying to set a precedent, none of the above. It's not a salary cap." Tony Clark: "A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period." Of course they are not proposing pennies on the dollars. Just enough to not have massive losses. Because of other expenses they still will have losses even with salary adjustments. The Cubs just don't want to play losing $70 million or more.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on May 12, 2020 13:24:20 GMT -5
Here we go guys.... There are major rumors about teams making big money players available for pennies on the dollar to help offset the loss of revenue with no fans. Cubs are the #1 team to keep an eye on per most MLB experts (Kris Bryant). Buster Olney said 70% of Cubs revenue is fans related and based on what he has heard he'd be very surprised baseball plays in 2020. Players tweets from last night and in to the morning sounds like there may be a fight between players and owners to get back to baseball. Owners Rep: "We're not trying to regulate payrolls, we're not trying to set a precedent, none of the above. It's not a salary cap." Tony Clark: "A system that restricts player pay based on revenues is a salary cap, period." Of course they are not proposing pennies on the dollars. Just enough to not have massive losses. Because of other expenses they still will have losses even with salary adjustments. The Cubs just don't want to play losing $70 million or more. Pennies on the dollar was in reference to returns for trading players to dump payroll. Per Buster Olney, it's a reality and the Cubs today aren't going to get anything close to what they could have gotten for Bryant in December as an example.
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Post by TheChico on May 12, 2020 14:08:45 GMT -5
Of course they are not proposing pennies on the dollars. Just enough to not have massive losses. Because of other expenses they still will have losses even with salary adjustments. The Cubs just don't want to play losing $70 million or more. Pennies on the dollar was in reference to returns for trading players to dump payroll. Per Buster Olney, it's a reality and the Cubs today aren't going to get anything close to what they could have gotten for Bryant in December as an example. Not even close to getting what they could of got and will likely not be able to trade him at all. a Ton of teams will be looking to unload big contract players any way they can too. Cubs mind as well keep him and take the comp pick now, but you know the Rickets are going to demand to slash payroll at all cost, my guess is they are losing the most money than any other owner in baseball and probaly not even close.
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