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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Apr 18, 2024 8:05:30 GMT -5
The thing is though Javy still plays GG defense. They do have him batting mostly 8th and 9th.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 18, 2024 10:51:32 GMT -5
The thing is though Javy still plays GG defense. They do have him batting mostly 8th and 9th. Yes he does , but how long can you keep a guy in your line up who's not even putting up a .200 OBP even if he is batting at the bottom. And who you are also paying 25 million a year ? I just don't get it with him , I really think he might have vision problems and can't recognize pitches because watching him missing baseballs by feet , not inches is like watching a 5 year old swing a bat for the first time. No major league player should look this bad in at bats. And this was a guy who was a legit MVP caliber player and one of the most exciting players in baseball. Doesn't seem like his skillset or bat speed has eroded, he just swings at fucking everything and swings all out. It makes me sick to my stomach seeing him like this , he's still one of my all time favorite players who I would have loved to see thriving with Detroit.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Apr 18, 2024 11:03:01 GMT -5
I hate seeing all the ex-Cubs struggling. But damn, 2016 was almost a DECADE ago (8 years now), yeesh.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 18, 2024 11:29:41 GMT -5
I hate seeing all the ex-Cubs struggling. But damn, 2016 was almost a DECADE ago (8 years now), yeesh. I do as well , but him especially to me because he can be so much better and had almost become a joke of a hitter. KB just can't stay healthy , it is what it is at this point , if he could and when he is healthy , he's still very good but the pct of games he's played at 100% health since he left is probably miniscule. Rizzo will be ok , maybe , not sure if that head injury that the Yankees handled so poorly may have sped up his decline. Playing in Yankee stadium has saved his numbers , but can't fault a guy for picking a good destination for him. Schwarbs is just home run happy and seems content with big HR totals when he could be so much better a hitter , so he's the one I least hate to see struggle, plus I don't like the Phillies.
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Post by fine09 on Apr 18, 2024 11:54:13 GMT -5
The thing is though Javy still plays GG defense. They do have him batting mostly 8th and 9th. The Javy fall makes me sick too. There is quite a bit of chatter from folks in the media talking about releasing him which is just remarkable considering what he's still owed. But absolutely no team would trade for him & give him a roster spot. I for one would offer him a minor league deal (no 40 man spot) & have him start from scratch at the plate. best case he turns it around & can give them trade value along with resurrecting his career. Worst case he flops & costs you 50 grand..
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Apr 18, 2024 12:02:51 GMT -5
The sad thing about Javy is he's living off his athletic ability from his early Cub days. He's never adjusted as he got older. I just realized Baez is 31 turning 32 in December, wow. How remarkable he was ages 22-26. The thing about Baez is, if you extended him in 2017 to that 6-7 year deal, he'd be in the last year of it and it would have actually been an ok contract because 2017-2022 were actually productive.
EDIT: My argument for core guys was always 2017/2018 deals. By the time 2019 came, it seemed like it was too late as guys wanted bigger dollars and years. Signing a guy to an extension in 2017 puts him in year 7 of the deal if it kicked in 2018, the back end of the deal looks rough though.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 18, 2024 12:31:52 GMT -5
The sad thing about Javy is he's living off his athletic ability from his early Cub days. He's never adjusted as he got older. I just realized Baez is 31 turning 32 in December, wow. How remarkable he was ages 22-26. The thing about Baez is, if you extended him in 2017 to that 6-7 year deal, he'd be in the last year of it and it would have actually been an ok contract because 2017-2022 were actually productive. EDIT: My argument for core guys was always 2017/2018 deals. By the time 2019 came, it seemed like it was too late as guys wanted bigger dollars and years. Signing a guy to an extension in 2017 puts him in year 7 of the deal if it kicked in 2018, the back end of the deal looks rough though. The problem with that .....2017, 2018 , the Cubs already had year end CB payrolls of 183 and 193 and the CB payroll they had upcoming for 2019 ended up being 237 which put them over 30 in the red , and 2020 they were 7 million over , so they were already going to be over it with contracts they had because most players were on the same escalating arb years and nothing was rolling off the books making if difficult to really extend anybody , let alone multiple guys.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Apr 18, 2024 16:01:04 GMT -5
We should be thankful that Jed never kept "the core". Can you imagine how much we'd be complaining about this team if we had all those guys on huge contracts with poor production? We'd hate those guys. Instead of having a good, playoff caliber team, we'd have a crappy farm, high payroll, and we would be at the beginning of a rebuild instead of seeing the results of it.
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Post by Returnofstevefitz on Apr 19, 2024 9:02:04 GMT -5
We should be thankful that Jed never kept "the core". Can you imagine how much we'd be complaining about this team if we had all those guys on huge contracts with poor production? We'd hate those guys. Instead of having a good, playoff caliber team, we'd have a crappy farm, high payroll, and we would be at the beginning of a rebuild instead of seeing the results of it. To be fair, we can't assume the production would be the same, but yes it seems like the Cubs dodged a bullet.
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Post by 2mileshighillini on Apr 19, 2024 10:21:11 GMT -5
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Post by lajoiesghost on Apr 19, 2024 10:43:10 GMT -5
Wow, pretty harsh, although not unwarranted. I still scratch my head wondering why they traded Arenado at about his peak and then signed Bryant who was already showing some health issues. Arenado - $32.5/yr, Bryant at $26/yr. Plus whatever amount they pay of Nolan's contract (do not recall). They would have been MUCH better off keeping their home grown fan favorite.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 19, 2024 11:30:48 GMT -5
Wow, pretty harsh, although not unwarranted. I still scratch my head wondering why they traded Arenado at about his peak and then signed Bryant who was already showing some health issues. Arenado - $32.5/yr, Bryant at $26/yr. Plus whatever amount they pay of Nolan's contract (do not recall). They would have been MUCH better off keeping their home grown fan favorite. That made zero sense and I'm pretty sure he was not requesting a trade and his preference was to stay with the Rockies.
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Post by cubbies85 on Apr 25, 2024 21:11:29 GMT -5
If Cub fans (including me) had our way we’d be paying Baez, Bryant, Rizzo about 80 million this year to have combined OPS of about 580.
Don’t think I’ll be doubting Jed again in the near future. Let’s GO!!!
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Post by batman66 on Apr 26, 2024 7:16:46 GMT -5
If Cub fans (including me) had our way we’d be paying Baez, Bryant, Rizzo about 80 million this year to have combined OPS of about 580. Don’t think I’ll be doubting Jed again in the near future. Let’s GO!!! Guilty as charged. I wanted all 3 extended, but all along I said I thought they'd only be able to do two and Rizzo would be one of them and the other I prefered to be Baez because Bryant was starting to annoy me with the games missed and I thought the other two were going to be easier and cheaper to sign.
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Post by lajoiesghost on Apr 26, 2024 8:15:24 GMT -5
If Cub fans (including me) had our way we’d be paying Baez, Bryant, Rizzo about 80 million this year to have combined OPS of about 580. Don’t think I’ll be doubting Jed again in the near future. Let’s GO!!! Guilty as charged. I wanted all 3 extended, but all along I said I thought they'd only be able to do two and Rizzo would be one of them and the other I prefered to be Baez because Bryant was starting to annoy me with the games missed and I thought the other two were going to be easier and cheaper to sign. Of the three, I thought Rizzo had the best chance to keep up the numbers, plus he was the face of the Cubs. I admit, I thought Bryant would be much better than he has shown but was worried about his health. He is Mark Prior-like in both his expectations and his availability. Baez is tough to figure out. He has what seems to be an incredibly high baseball IQ, yet he can't keep from swinging at pitches way out of the zone. Not being able to read pitches is one thing but you would think the guy could guess and have a better success rate than he has. He's like Merrill Hess in SIGNS. "It felt wrong not to swing." Swing away, Merrill, er, Javy.
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Post by batman66 on Apr 26, 2024 9:24:25 GMT -5
Guilty as charged. I wanted all 3 extended, but all along I said I thought they'd only be able to do two and Rizzo would be one of them and the other I prefered to be Baez because Bryant was starting to annoy me with the games missed and I thought the other two were going to be easier and cheaper to sign. Of the three, I thought Rizzo had the best chance to keep up the numbers, plus he was the face of the Cubs. I admit, I thought Bryant would be much better than he has shown but was worried about his health. He is Mark Prior-like in both his expectations and his availability. Baez is tough to figure out. He has what seems to be an incredibly high baseball IQ, yet he can't keep from swinging at pitches way out of the zone. Not being able to read pitches is one thing but you would think the guy could guess and have a better success rate than he has. He's like Merrill Hess in SIGNS. "It felt wrong not to swing." Swing away, Merrill, er, Javy. Yep, Rizzo was the safest bet, would have been the cheapest and I thought easiest to sign and I pretty much had no doubts they'd sign him and was surprised he was insulted by their offer but he was too fixated on Goldschmidt money and I could understand why because he already had signed a contract he probably wasn't happy about them just picking up the two option years when they had him for less than market value instead of coming to him with a new deal that would wipe away those years. Baez was almost signed and then Covid hit and Ricketts freaked about revenue . I think if we didn't have the Covid situation Baez would have signed. Bryant with Boras in his ear , was probably never a reality unless they just totally blew them away with an offer, thank god that didn't happen.
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Post by Mike on Apr 27, 2024 14:43:45 GMT -5
Red Sox to sign Garrett Cooper
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Post by batman66 on Apr 27, 2024 14:46:28 GMT -5
Red Sox to sign Garrett Cooper I think the Cubs made a trade , he was in DFA status and not released yet as far as I know. MLB traderumors has a story saying they aquired him after saying they were closing in on a deal.
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Post by trav768 on Apr 27, 2024 14:54:46 GMT -5
Red Sox to sign Garrett Cooper I think the Cubs made a trade , he was in DFA status and not released yet as far as I know. MLB traderumors has a story saying they aquired him after saying they were closing in on a deal. Red Sox sending cash to Cubs
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Post by Mike on Apr 28, 2024 19:23:52 GMT -5
Congrats to Anthony Rizzo, hitting his 300th HR in Milwaukee. Yankees win.
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